I come from an island which has been called the most Irish place outside of Ireland and weve had our papist-loyalist troubles in the past, where they will remain. The Protestant Reformation was a religious reform movement that swept through Europe in the 1500s. I was playing golf in Ireland, and I asked my caddy what was his favorite whiskey. As regards the Catholic v Protestant whiskey debate. Previous Post Elements Eight Rum Found it very smooth to the tongue. Wonderful thread. It has earned a permanent place in my cabinet right next to my Glenrothes 1995 which I prefer over all the other SM brands including MacAllan 18 & 25. Irish whiskey comes in two forms, Catholic and Protestant. My grandfather lost friends due to the awful abuses that were brought upon the Irish in the Republic by the Englishs Black and Tans, rumor has it the original owner of Bushmills was granted the right to distill due to the fact he helped suppress the Irish in the north from uprising against the British. [4] In addition, Barnard was high in his praise for Powers whiskey, noting:[4]. Though I guess thats for a different forum. Yes, plenty of Irish whiskey is ordered as shots or in Pickle Backs, but it also works in a number of cocktails, including, of course, McGarry's The Dead Rabbit Irish Coffee. If I had a choice between Macallan 18 and Redbreast, think Id stay Irish. The attitudes and actions of German Catholics and Protestants during the Nazi era were shaped not only by their religious beliefs, but by other factors as well, including: Backlash against the Weimar Republicand the political, economic, and social changes in Germany that occurred during the 1920s Anti-Communism Nationalism Also, your giving Prince Harry more money to go on vacation, maybe Vegas again perhaps? However, ownership remained in the family until 1966, and several descendants of his sisters remained at work with the company until recent times. I am still cradling my Bushmills 12 yr Distillery Reserve Whiskey. Great smooth flavor and a soft long finish. There was a big banner from the 80s in one of our meeting rooms that read boycott bushmills they discriminate because they were from the north they didnt use to hire catholic workers. The new bottling hall is also taking shape even though itll be a while before the on site whiskey will be bottled. The Protestant/Catholic thing was explained to me as a labor dispute where a bunch of Catholic Derrymen were laid off from the Bushmills distillery or some shite. Go figure . Spent a crap of $$$ too so we could compare them all side by side. This is wayyyy late, and I apologize, but the record needed to be set straight. [3], Following reform of the distilling laws in 1823, the distillery expanded rapidly. Some, like Jameson, are owned by Catholic companies. [12] However, with many of the Irish distilleries having closed in the early 20th century in part due to their failure to embrace a change in consumer preference towards blended whiskey, Powers were instrumental in convincing the remaining Irish distilleries to reconsider their stance on blended whiskey.[8]. I can guarantee no one here in Dublin or Ireland gives a crap either way. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. So, I figured then maybe I was Protestant Irish? Not enough time to read through comments. Theyve also started work on a massive bottling plant on site to bring all areas of Dew production back to the town. Redbreast is my favorite but I only buy a bottle or so a year. It is a distinct and beautiful expression of the craft. I usually drink my whiskey neat but would anyone be able to recommend an Irish whiskey cocktail/mixed drink that doesnt included coffee or a green liquid? We intend to vigorously defend our position. As most Irish distillers use their barrels more than once, the color and bourbon flavor is thinned a bit once blended. Not what religion you think a whiskey holds. Those of us that still drink enjoy guinness as our beer . My growing up yearsnot virulently anti catholic just plain anti-catholic. However, this is just a rumor, but I did hear it from a pretty reliable source in the industry back in Ireland. While Redbreast is great, wonderful stuff, dont ever pass up a chance to sample their self-titled Middleton. The overwhelming majority of people in Ireland just want to get on with their lives, as they have always done and forget about this petty conflict. According to everyone Ive spoken with on the subject, you only really find this debate in the States, where Irish-American support of the Republic can sometimes be blind and often fueled by the very product were speaking of. Powers Gold Label for me, thank you very much. Paid 10 Euro for a shot of it in Dublin, and well worth the price. Corvallisbarman is half right. I answered, Episcopalian because we think of ourselves as both and neither. About 5 or 6 years ago they flooeded Irish bars with it just before St. Paddys Day,almost forcing bars to sell off a lot of free stock they received. Youd be hard to convince me it is 40 proof, much less 80. Not sure this is the right spot, but an Irish colleague and I, had this debate last week around Bushmills v Jameson in an Irish pub, here in New York. Privacy Policy | Both sides here will gradually realise that they have more in common with each other than they do with folk in ROI or England, thats been my experience. I no longer consider myself Catholic, btw. Fast forward 60 years. The Catholic Whiskey in Dublin was John Powers. They also bottle Powers & Paddys as well. An Italian friend, when introduced to the term Uiske Beatha thought the word was bad water and now refers to it as Aqua Sporca or dirty water. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. Whiskey is Irish, whatever brand (or religion), followed by Americans (as in bourbon whiskey etc.). Most protestant in my area have a real problem with Catholics. I tried Bushmills a couple of years ago and was surprised to find I liked it a lot, too. To those who want to talk about Catholic vs Protestant issues, at least go visit the country before assuming anything. But none of it means much, anyway: both distilleries are owned by huge international entities: Jameson by French liquor conglomerate Pernod-Ricard, and Bushmills by the English firm Diageo. It wasnt an issue about who owns what. Ill have to try a Manhattan next. And, many thanks to (nearly) all of those who offered comments. Jameson is a blended potstill whiskey (malted + Unmalted grain blended with grain whiskey). The worst mistake I made was ordering a Bass Ale in PJ Horgans on Queens Blvd. Do not place them next to each other. One good friend turned to me and chuckled. Methodist and Presbyterian. John Jameson was Pentecostal. A bunch of bigoted b######s arguing over the religion of whiskey. Ive worked my way through nearly all the brands mentioned here and yet consistently return to my beloved Jameson 12 neat. I was told by one Irishman the RedBreast would change my life and another one told me that The Irishman Founders Reserve would do the same. This kind of stupidity makes us look like clowns in the eyes of most real Irish. As an American, am I being disloyal to Scotland when I drink Jamesons? Enjoy your whiskey and spare a kind word for everyone. I agree with Robert McHardy above. You are a great person to forgive and forget the horrible crime that were personal committed against you. Polarised. 17-18 years old found the love of my lifea catholic girl. It was as perfect in flavour, and as pronounced in the ancient aroma of Irish Whisky so dear to the hearts of connoisseurs, as one could possibly desire, and we found a small flask of it very useful afterwards on our travels. DONT EVER ask an Irish person , north or south if they are catholic or protestant because they will look at you with contempt. Cheers! And not to get too specific, but given the choice, Irish Canandian Dry in the clear glass bottle (opposed to the green bottle or Finches). One of them said, My enemys enemy is my friend.. And as you can check from the email address I come from Finland, a protestant country. hint of linseed. The fact that this blog has been going for so very long tells me the myth is true. Me, Ill opt mostly for the great spirits of the independent Cooley Distillery, located just north of Dublin. Ive tried to correct his misinterpretation but he thinks his name is funnier. However, its all moot now as the French reap the profits in the end , Jameson, Bushmills, Tullemore, Red Breast, Powers. I generally have several bottles of Irish on hand. The numbers level out when it comes to religions those. Porn S, Eugene, Oregon friends! Protestant - to 'protest'. I also like Writers Tears, Bushmills and the Redbreast (12 more so than the 15). Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. Now as far as whiskey goes, Im a newbie to Irish stuff but tend to love it all since I am a hard drinker for 6 plus decades. I was a bartender in NY in the early 90s and in 98 moved to Kinsale Cork and bartended their for 4 yrs. My wifes grandmother an active protestant would not let me in her house due to my faith. neither, Im a Jew. Check it out: http://whiskiesoftheworld.com. It resulted in the creation of a branch of Christianity called Protestantism, a name used collectively to refer to the many religious groups that separated from the Roman Catholic Church due to differences in doctrine. I am going to be the bartender at my college prom, and need a drink that will be popular with the kids. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys? Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. Not all American or Irish whiskies spell the word with an elike Makers Mark, George Dickel, Old Forester, Early Times or Paddy spell the word w-h-i-s-k-y. As for those Tyrconnell expressions: major thumbs up. Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. When asked to identify "the term commonly used to refer to the historical period in which Protestants broke away from the Catholic Church," two-thirds of the general public (65%) correctly chose the Reformation. He said, no, Im Catholic, but I was born and raised in the town of Bushmills! Although, when faced with only Jameson and Bushmills, I will usually go for the Bushmills. Dont be so ignorant as to think about whether a whiskey is protestant or catholicidiot. I am also a fan of Tullemore and Black Bush. I still live there. This is coming from a protestant raised irish man from the local area. Sweeter, rich with barley, and perfect with one ice cube. I find it to be a littlethick? It is the same oppression that the Hungarians did to the Slovaks over the ages!!!!! Jameson Is Catholic and Bushmills Is Protestant This is one of the myths encountered all the time, since Bushmills is located in predominantly Protestant Northern Ireland and Jameson is produced in the heavily Catholic Republic of Ireland. I sincerely doubt that there are too many Irish Catholics who care about the religion attached to what they drink. [3], As the distillery grew, so too did the stature of the family. Hi, I actually know the reason behind the controversy. The 1608 license is not marketing shite, but did refer to the area of the town of Bushmills. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys?. Having just visited Ireland, I spent time in both the north and the ROI. The word "catholic" means "all-embracing," and the Catholic Church sees itself as the only . As the Protestants had pretty much a stranglehold over all shipping in the country, they refused to ship Dew in favor of the Protestant-produced Jameson. This is mildly off topic, but does anyone else find Jameson to be similar in many ways to Wild Turkey bourbon? Catholics and Protestants have a different view on the nature of the church. In side-by-side STEEL CAGES!! [1] Irish Distillers owned the brand until its sale to Sazerac in 2016. Im Irish American and I volunteered for both Sinn Fin and Irish Northern aide. best bang for your buck for a sipping whisky. As for the Tullamore Dew, it actually is the perfect mingling of North & South, since the pot still & grain comes from Midleton in Cork and the single malt is distilled at Bushmills (then aged down at LDI). Turned out not to be such a controversy. And, fact fans, the space-age Middleton distillery in the far south makes the neutral alcohol for the blends produced at Bushmills up North. During this period, when the Dublin whiskey distilleries were amongst the largest in the world, the family-run firms of John Power, along with John Jameson, William Jameson, and George Roe, (collectively known as the "Big Four") came to dominate the Irish distilling landscape, introducing several innovations. There are some amazing ones, FYI, I will leave it at that. I was raised Catholic by my mother after the parents divorced when I was three. The last member of the family to sit on the board was Sir Thomas Talbot Power,[8] who died in 1930,[10] and with him the Power's Baronetcy. This was the time when Protestantism, through its definitive break with Roman Catholicism, arose to take its place on the Christian map. To comment on a few posts above: I am of Irish descent and remember hearing the Protestant Whiskey comments as a kid growing up in New England(I am 50 now). 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